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@ 2021-01-04 16:58 ` Van Chan Ngo
  2021-01-04 17:28   ` Yawar Amin
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From: Van Chan Ngo @ 2021-01-04 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
> 
> unsubscribe 

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 16:58 ` Van Chan Ngo
@ 2021-01-04 17:28   ` Yawar Amin
  2021-01-04 18:33     ` Xavier Leroy
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Van Chan Ngo; +Cc: caml-list

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Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address,
and click to unsubscribe.

Regards,

Yawar

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unsubscribe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
> >
> > unsubscribe
>

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 17:28   ` Yawar Amin
@ 2021-01-04 18:33     ` Xavier Leroy
  2021-01-04 19:42       ` Yawar Amin
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From: Xavier Leroy @ 2021-01-04 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yawar Amin; +Cc: Van Chan Ngo, caml-list, Adam Johnson

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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
> message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
> address, and click to unsubscribe.
>

This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.

So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not
send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.

The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
from this mailing-list" option.

Regards,

- Xavier Leroy


> Regards,
>
> Yawar
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Unsubscribe
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > unsubscribe
>>
>

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 18:33     ` Xavier Leroy
@ 2021-01-04 19:42       ` Yawar Amin
  2021-01-04 19:52         ` Daniil Baturin
  2021-01-04 21:08         ` Philippe Wang
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xavier Leroy; +Cc: Van Chan Ngo, caml-list, Adam Johnson

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Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe'
header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in
the message that gets archived at e.g.
https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw

And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is
stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them
to Gmail.

Regards,

Yawar

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
>> message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
>> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
>> address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
>
> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
> problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
>
> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not
> send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>
> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
> working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
> from this mailing-list" option.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Xavier Leroy
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yawar
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > unsubscribe
>>>
>>

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 19:42       ` Yawar Amin
@ 2021-01-04 19:52         ` Daniil Baturin
  2021-01-04 20:05           ` Yawar Amin
  2021-01-04 21:08         ` Philippe Wang
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Daniil Baturin @ 2021-01-04 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: caml-list

Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with
headers.

I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted Postfix:

List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=subscribe%20caml-list>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list>
List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr>
List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr>
List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list>

However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that functionality.


On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote:
> Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no
> 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox,
> but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at
> e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> <https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw>
>
>
> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something
> is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before
> delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar


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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 19:52         ` Daniil Baturin
@ 2021-01-04 20:05           ` Yawar Amin
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniil Baturin; +Cc: Ocaml Mailing List

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Gmail and some other clients support it, more details here
https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/
<https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/#:~:text=List%2Dunsubscribe%20is%20an%20optional,sender%20as%20spam%20or%20junk.>

Regards,

Yawar

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:52 PM Daniil Baturin <daniil@baturin.org> wrote:

> Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with
> headers.
>
> I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted
> Postfix:
>
> List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr>
> List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr
> ?subject=subscribe%20caml-list>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr
> ?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list>
> List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr>
> List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr>
> List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list>
>
> However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on
> that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that
> functionality.
>
>
> On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote:
> > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no
> > 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox,
> > but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at
> > e.g.
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> > <
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> >
> >
> >
> > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something
> > is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before
> > delivering them to Gmail.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yawar
>
>

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 19:42       ` Yawar Amin
  2021-01-04 19:52         ` Daniil Baturin
@ 2021-01-04 21:08         ` Philippe Wang
  2021-01-04 21:26           ` Yawar Amin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Philippe Wang @ 2021-01-04 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yawar Amin; +Cc: caml-list

By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both
the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
information.

I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
the list-unsubscribe header is present.

Cheers
Philippe Wang

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
>
> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
>>
>> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>>
>> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe from this mailing-list" option.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - Xavier Leroy
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Yawar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > unsubscribe



-- 
Philippe Wang
   mail@philippewang.info

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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
  2021-01-04 21:08         ` Philippe Wang
@ 2021-01-04 21:26           ` Yawar Amin
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: caml-list

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Oh, you're right–that seems to be what's happening. I checked messages sent
_only_ to the list, and they have the headers as expected. Unfortunately
Gmail is still not showing the expected 'Unsubscribe' UI–no doubt part of
their continuous A/B testing or something.

Regards,

Yawar

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info> wrote:

> By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both
> the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
> different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
> information.
>
> I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
> the list-unsubscribe header is present.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe Wang
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe'
> header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in
> the message that gets archived at e.g.
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> >
> > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is
> stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them
> to Gmail.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yawar
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to
> each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
> address, and click to unsubscribe.
> >>
> >>
> >> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
> problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
> >>
> >> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and
> not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
> >>
> >> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
> working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
> from this mailing-list" option.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> - Xavier Leroy
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Yawar
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Unsubscribe
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > unsubscribe
>
>
>
> --
> Philippe Wang
>    mail@philippewang.info
>

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