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From: "Soegtrop, Michael" <michael.soegtrop@intel.com>
To: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
Cc: "caml-list@inria.fr" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: RE: [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:09:32 +0000
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Dear Gabriel,

thanks for the link, an interesting idea and discussion! And I see that maybe I should come over to Paris to participate ;-) I would agree with Alain Frisch’s final comment that whenever a pattern synonym is used in the RHS, there should be an explicit binder. This would either solve the “trouble” case or make the similarity to (x, x) obvious.

Best regards,

Michael

From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gabriel Scherer
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 1:34 PM
To: Soegtrop, Michael
Cc: Francois Berenger; caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax

The use of camlp{4,5} to change OCaml syntax has always had extremely low adoption, with some very specific exceptions (notably the lwt-support syntax of the Ocsigen project). I suspect that this is due to the fact that integrating a new syntax extension to your project has historically caused more build-system and deployment trouble than people were willing to tolerate.
ppx extensions are not designed to allow extending the OCaml syntax, and in particular I think they are not a good fit for what you are looking for. It is a large part of their appeal: by being less flexible, they are simpler and more robust.
I personally believe that currified constructor syntax would be a better choice, and that using non-currified constructors is a historical mistake of SML/Caml. But I am also not convinced that efforts to change it today are worth the trouble, and prefer to concentrate on improving other parts of the OCaml ecosystem.
Another thing that was touched by your comments is the usefulness of user-defined patterns (pattern synonyms). I have conflicted opinions on the question of whether adding pattern synonyms would be a good thing, but described one aspect of a proposal that I like (but also highlights that the feature can be a source of implementation complexity) in
  http://gallium.inria.fr/blog/pattern-synonyms-as-expressions/
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-06  9:33 Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 10:04 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
2015-11-06 10:31 ` Francois Berenger
2015-11-06 12:20   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:34     ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 13:09       ` Soegtrop, Michael [this message]
2015-11-06 14:10         ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-06 15:19           ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 15:22             ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-21 17:24       ` [Caml-list] Notation for currying Hendrik Boom
2015-11-21 17:42         ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-21 18:06         ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2015-11-21 18:56           ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 12:29 ` [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax Jonas Jensen
2015-11-06 12:46   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:55     ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-08 21:17 ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-08 22:51   ` Norman Hardy
2015-11-09  6:27     ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-09 13:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-09  8:10     ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-09 10:00       ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-09 10:17       ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 10:35         ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 12:28           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 17:33           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 18:09             ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-09 18:16               ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 21:12                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-09 22:06                   ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 22:27                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 22:57                     ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-11-10  0:11                   ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10  8:27                   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 10:26                     ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 10:44                       ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 10:55                         ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 13:17                           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 13:41                             ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 14:01                               ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-13 15:36                           ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 11:17                         ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 14:11                     ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10 14:40                       ` immanuel litzroth
2015-11-10 15:30                       ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 17:28                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-11-09 20:32               ` Alain Frisch

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